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Here is a great post from Snowflakes in Hell.  One more group of people is scared of … I always thought 9mm was a bit on the weak side for self defense rounds and the 45 was preferred.  I guess the Indian have a different idea.

Intimidated by ?

Because you suck, and we intimidate you.  I agree.. I’d take an AK-47 over an MP5 in a SHTF situation any day of the week.  Not to mention, if Indian wear body armor, even Level II body armor stands a good chance of stopping a bullet from an MP5.  A 7.62×39 round will zip through any armor that doesn’t have a ballistic plate in it.

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This is Part III in a series, to read this series from the beginning see: Choosing a New Gun Part 1 and Choosing a New Gun Part 2

I acquired a couple of 40 S&W handguns to try out.  The first was a XD Sub Compact, the second was an P2000 (standard size). Both of the guns had a good feel to them in grip and in balance.

First up was the XD 40 SC

I ran a target out the the 7 yard line and put a few test rounds through the gun.  For a target I used an Alco Transitional Target I [TRS-I US Treasury Silhouette 14" x 20" Blue], for I used CCI Blazer Brass.

Observations

The XD had no mechanical issues, fed, fired and ejected every round on cue.  The gun was very loud, most of this is due to the 3″ barrel, so be prepared for a rather loud report if you decide to shoot an XD compact.

The grip was a little short, but this was cured with the addition of a Pierce Grip.

First 9 rounds fired out of the gun put a 5″ group on the paper. (4″ group if you do not count the one flier round).

Results

Springfield XD 40 SC and Target

XD 40 SC and Target

I ran another hundred or so rounds through the gun to try out different drills, such as weaver, strong hand, and weak hand.  Overall the XD performed well, with the exception of the loud report.

Next up was the P2000 40

I ran a target out the the 10 yard line and put a few test rounds through the gun.  For a target I used a USPSA cardboard target, for I used CCI Blazer Brass.

Observations

The HK P2000 had no mechanical issues, fed, fired and ejected every round on cue.

The grip felt a bit small in diameter, but this was cured by changing out the backstrap to the larger size.

First 12 rounds fired out of the gun put a 4″ group on the paper at 10 yds (removing the flier towards the bottom the group becomes a 3″ group).

Results

USPSA Target

USPSA Target

I ran another hundred or so rounds through the gun to try out different drills, such as weaver, strong hand, and weak hand.  Overall the P2000 demonstrated good performance and accuracy.

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This is Part II in a series, if you have not read Part I it can be found here Choosing a New Gun Part 1

Searching the Internet for information is a bit like getting on a telephone “party line” and asking for an opinion.  I spent several hours researching the various calibers for a carry gun and finding a lot of opinion, conjecture, and supposition.

There were several interesting sights offering various bits of data, mixed with conjecture.  One of the best quotes I found during the research was on The Box O’ Truth

People often say, “I think…”, “I suppose…”, “I bet…”, when discussing facts like penetration of .

There is only one way to know how much a certain round penetrates.

You must shoot it into a medium and see for a fact.

Results found:  9MM penetrates slightly more (one additional sheet of plywood) than 45ACP

I visited several other websites that had were of the same opinion (9mm fast, 45 slow).  A few websites, however, proclaimed the 40 S&W as a good mix of the two.

After a couple more websites, with results, I started to understand Ayoob’s comments about ”Morgue Monsters and Jello Junkies.”  There was a seeming endless, sometimes contradictory, stream of data available.

.40 S&W 155 grain Federal Hi-Shok JHP, 1/7/91:

Test Gun Barrel Length Velocity

Bare Gelatin

Clothed Gelatin

Penetration Expansion Penetration Expansion

22

4.5″ 1167 fps 13.75″ 0.61″ 19.50″ 0.51″

.40 S&W 165 grain CCI/Speer Gold Dot JHP, 11/17/97:

Test Gun Barrel Length Velocity

Bare Gelatin

Clothed Gelatin

Penetration Expansion Penetration Expansion

SIG P229

4″ 1076 fps 13.05″ 0.65″ 15.80″ 0.60″

.40 S&W 165 grain Federal Tactical HydraShok JHP, 2/27/97:

Test Gun Barrel Length Velocity

Bare Gelatin

Clothed Gelatin

Penetration Expansion Penetration Expansion

USP

4 1007 fps 13.85″ 0.62″ 15.15″ 0.64″

After all of the reading and research, I decided it was time to get a 40 S&W firearm and go to the range.

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Courthouse Fanatic had a great post today regarding Illegal Guns in DC… The post says it all.

Can you spot what’s illegal on my 45C?

Yeah, I didn’t think so but according to the bleeding hearts in DC my 45C would be violating at least 3 of their newly “revised” D.C. gun laws. The emergency approved this week by the D.C. Council and Mayor Adrian M. Fenty (D) shows a total disregard of the recent vs DC ruling.

1.) My gun is a semi-automatic - the new rules would still ban any “bottom-loading” semi-automatic . ruled that D.C. could not ban handguns.

2.) My gun is loaded - D.C. residents must keep their weapons unloaded and either disassembled or equipped with trigger locks until they are in imminent danger from an attacker in the home. Justice Antonin Scalia wrote that the “prohibition against rendering any lawful firearm in the home operable for the purpose of immediate self-defense” violates the Second Amendment. Can’t you just imagine this scenario as the burglar breaks in “Mr. attacker could you wait just a minute while I reassemble and load my gun?”

3.) My gun has not been tested by local - every gun submitted for licensing must be test-fired by experts. This violates a congressional ban on federal agencies creating any kind of gun owner registry.

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HK P2000
HK P2000

A few weeks ago, I bought a new boom-stick () to use as my primary carry weapon. I spent a few weeks researching, and after careful consideration I decided on an P2000 in 40 S&W .  Getting to that decision was a journey…

The choice in brand of firearm was fairly easy as I tend to be bias to products, however, the choice in was an issue. I had read about various calibers (9mm, 10mm, 40 S&W, 45ACP, 50AE, etc.) and their stopping power, accuracy, penetration rate, and other factors.  I found there were studies to support nearly every type of for personal defence, with the exception of 22 short, 25 Auto, and a few other small calibers.  The 40 S&W appeared to be a good fit as it had characteristics that were put it between the 9mm (for capacity) and the 45 ACP (for power).

I decided the best way to make final decisions decide was to rent or purchase a 40 S&W and try it out…

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